Payne de Beauchamp, one of the Barons of Bedford
The 12th Century - Ramsey Abbey - Magna Carta - Payne de Beauchamp
The de Mandeville's: Geoffrey and William - Geoffrey FitzGeoffrey (The Magna Carta Earl) - Mandeville and Botetourt - de Vere and de Mandeville - The de Mandeville Family - The Essex/Bedford Connection
This page seems to attract clicks - this could be due to the fact that the other page that I try and establish the connection between Bedford and Belchamp Walter has not been indexed by other search engines other than Google.
The multiple pages bit may be better in these notes. I need to review all of the "Bedford" pages.
The external links below need to be expanded,
I have multiple pages on the de Beauchamps on this website:
Page continues to garner impressions (Feb 2026)
Sir John de Steyngreve possibly could be a reason for interest.
As there were many impressions but very few hits I have moved the Bedford Historical PDF to the pdf folder locally. The theory here is that those making searches are finding what they want as the PDF has been indexed and the visitors are accessing it directly. I have removed the file from the server but I will not make a request to remove it from the index. If my theory is correct users will get a 404 and then possibly try my page to access it.
Captured search: "miles de beauchamp" daughter married 1270. Miles was the father of Payne who married Rohse in 1144. It would seem unlikely that Payne's father would have got married 1226 years after his sons marriage. There could have been another Miles, as families seemed to recycle names throughout generations.
Also, the research tends to indicate a "rabbit-hole" in the WikiTree and RootsNet world and I am not really interested in contributing to that!
Barons of Bedford
The marriage of Roshe de Vere to Payne de Beauchamp after Geofrey de Mandeville's death is recorded in The Beauchamps, Barons of Bedford - by C. Gore Chambers and G. Herbert Fowler - 1913. This was also stated by Thomas Wright in his History of Essex.
Payne de Beauchamp
That he was a brother of Miles (I. B.) we know from a charter to Shrewsbury Abbey. [36] He himself was a benefactor to the Canons of St. Paul in Bedford, who were afterwards constituted the Priory of Newnham; [37] between 1147 and 11 53, he and his wife were benefactors of the Priory of Chicksand. [38] About 1 144 he married Roheis, widow of Geoffrey de Mandeville, first Earl of Essex, and daughter of Aubrey de Vere, Great Chamberlain and Justiciary. Before 115 5-6, when apparently his property was at farm for his son Simon [39] (II. B.), he was dead.
The early Medieval history of Belchamp Walter cannot be understood
without some reference to the Barons of Bedford and their dealings with the monachy.
I have coined the term "the first 200 years" for this period of Belchamp Walter's history.
i.e. the 12th and 13th Centuries.
During this period Magna Carter was signed and ended in 1266 with Dictum of Kenilworth, the outcome of the 2nd Barons War.
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Miles de Beauchamp
Below is text from my page on the connection between Belchamp Walter and the de Beauchamps.
Miles de Beauchamp (I. B.)
In the Pipe Roll of 11 30-1 Miles was excused for Danegeld in Beds, and Bucks. He witnessed a charter to Shrewsbury Abbey^^ dated by Eyton about 1138 to 1 141, the second charter of the Empress Matilda to Geoffrey de Mandeville in 1142, and others about the same time.^® As being the only brother mentioned by name at the defence of Bedford Castle in II38^^ and as appearing in the Pipe Roll of 11 30-1, while Payn does not so appear, he was probably the elder of the surviving brothers; but, if so, he must have died without heir male, since Payn certainly inherited the Barony. By 1 141 Miles had recovered Bedford Castle from Hugh Pauper.^^
The subsequent history of the castle during Stephen's reign is obscure ; but its possession was obviously contested. In 1146, Ralph, Earl of Chester, who had been among Stephen's opponents, went over to his side; "coming with the King, he manfully took the city of Bedford, which had ever weakened the royal power, and committed it when taken to the king."^^ A story in Blomefield's History of Norfolk, there assigned to "about 1150," probably refers to this attack.^" The castle may then have been held for Stephen till 11 53, when Henry Duke of the Normans (later our Henry H.) appears at least to have attacked it^^'; after the reduction of the castle of Crowmarsh (Wallingford), he is recorded as having besieged Stamford, and thus appears to have captured Bedford on his way; two years later the burgesses of Bedford owe 20 marks to the Exchequer,^^ " because they were in the castle against the King."
An entry in the Testa de Nevill (p. 260), that " Miles owes 52 knights in the county of Bedford " is probably a scribal error. If correct, it could only refer to this Miles, and would indicate that he preceded Payn in the barony, which is quite possible ; but other entries of the same batch deal with men who lived later than John and Richard I. ; that is, later than any Miles of the Bedford family yet traced, though the name persists in the family of Beauchamp of Eaton [Socon].
The compiler of the Testa was, therefore, probably mistaken.
The Annalist of Bermondsey probably intended to refer to this Miles, when he recorded^^ that the mill of Bedford was given to Bermondsey by Miles with the consent of his heir Payn in 11 81; the date seems impossibly late, but this annalist's dates cannot be relied upon ; there is a confirmation of this gift by Henry 11.^* The mill belonged to the Bedford family, for Simon (H. B.) granted a tenth from it to St. Paul in Bedford at a later date.^^ The entry therefore probably refers to Miles (I. B.) ; and " Payn his heir " (not " son and heir ") was in that case probably his brother, and probably younger.
Payn de Beauchamp
Payn de Beauchamp.
That he was a brother of Miles (I. B.) we know from a charter to Shrewsbury Abbey.^® He himself was a benefactor to the Canons of St. Paul in Bedford, who were afterwards constituted the Priory of Newnham;^^ between 1147 and 1153, he and his wife were benefactors of the Priory of Chicksand.^®^ About 1144 he married Roheis, widow of Geoffrey de Mandeville, first Earl of Essex, and daughter of Aubrey de Vere, Great Chamberlain and Justiciary. Before 1155-6, when
apparently his property was at farm for his son Simon^^ (II. B.), he was dead.
From Thomas Wright
Modified a little for readability
(The manor of Belchamp Walter was).... held by her second husband, Peganus , or Payne de Beauchamp, baron of Bedford.
The second husband of Rhoese (or Roese) de Vere. The first was Geoffrey de Mandeville, 1st earl of Essex.
Payne de Beauchamp's son, Simon de Beauchamp, was steward of the household to King Stephen. His son and successor, William, acquired military fame by his prowess and conduct, but proving unfaithful to King Henry III his castle at Bedford was ordered to be demolished.
According to the Wikipedia entry for the castle it was destroyed in 1224.
Note: I orginally had "Peganus" as "Pegasus" - Peganus is the correct alternative name for Payne or Payn de Beauchamp - this was a "keying" error on my part and may appear on other pages.
Henry III of England besieged the castle in 1224 following a disagreement with Falkes de Breauté; the siege lasted
eight weeks and involved an army of as many as 2,700 soldiers with equipment drawn from across England. After the surrender of the castle, the king ordered its destruction.
William Montchensy, of Edwardstown
1040-1125 Montchesney, Companion to William the Conqueror - I need to check these dates as this is probably an
earlier Montchensy for these dates.
John de Steyngreve - 1245-1295
An alternate spelling is Sir John de Stonegrave.
Below is a copy of the text I have on my de Vere page - some of the links may be broken.
On William (de Beauchamp)'s death, in 1264, he was succeeded by the third and last brother (John de Beauchamp?); but, sometime in that year, being among the barons who rose in arms against King Henry III, he was slain at the battle of Evesham (1265), and his confiscated lands given to prince Edward, the king's eldest son.
Maud, the eldest daughter of William de Beauchamp, was married to Roger de Mowbray.
Beatrix became the wife of Thomas Fitz-Otho, and, on his death, was married
to William Montchensy, of Edwardstown.
Ella, the youngest of these sisters, was married to Baldwin Wake, to whom she bore Ida, married to John de Steyngreve,
Elizabeth, the wife of John de Horbiry; and Joan, married to Michael Picket.
Thomas Wright seems to use the spelling Kenelworth in his text - I have left it below.
These co-heiresses and their husbands, or joint heirs, upon paying their compositions, in pursuance of the "Dictum of Kenelworth," J(oan) had livery of the barony of Bedford, and the great estates which belonged to them, and, in 1278, on the death of Avicia, widow of William Beauchamp, of Bedford, a partition was made between these co-heiresses.
The "partition" referred to by Thomas Wright was probably taken from a write or IPM - I have yet to locate this.
Roger de Mowbray, the son of Maud de Mowbray (daughter of William de Beauchamp),
held lands here in 1281, of the earl of Oxford; his successor was his son John (de Mowbray)
and John de Steyngreve, on his death in 1295, also had possessions here.
Isabel, his only daughter, was married to Simon de Pateshull, who, in her right, held these lands at the time of his death, in 1296.
He left a son named John, and Isabel, his widow, was married to Walter de Tey
(born between circa 1250 and circa 1270).
In 1286, William de Montchensy died, holding this manor and other estates, of the inheritance of his wife Beatrix, deceased, formerly wife of Thomas Fitz-Otho.
His son William was his heir.
Avicia de Beauchamp
Avicia, widow of William Beauchamp, of Bedford who died 1170. My previous link was to
William de Beauchamp (of Elmley) - Worcestershire
Thomas Wright's date of 1170 - this is a hundred years earlier! could be an error. The Dictum of Kenilworth was 1266.
This was the time frame of the co-heiresses - I need to check the offspring.
The relationship with de Vere
The region including Belchamp Walter was officially "held" by the de Veres. However, there seems to have been a fair amount of "Political" activity in the 200 years after Conquest.
The account given by Thomas Wright does not really give much of an insight into what was going on. To get some possible insight I think you need to look at what else was going on in the country at the time. This is probably the same situation with all parts of the country as historical events were not always recorded and a lot is now left to interpetation.
One could say that this period was one of the most formative in English history as it was the time of Magna Carter and as others have observered the basis of Law and Human Rights were formative.
The Beauchamps, Barons of Bedford - from Bedford Historical Record Society
As a result of searching for the supporting documentation for de Beauchamp I found an archive from the Bedford Historical Record Society, Volume I. (1912)
There is no evidence of the presence in England of any Beauchamp earlier than Domesday Book; and the only Beauchamp
there mentioned by name is Hugh de Beauchamp of Bedford. But the Walter named as a subtenant of some property in
Worcestershire, under Urse d'Abitot and others, may be identified, almost certainly, with the Walter de Beauchamp who married Urse's daughter (fn 1) and succeeded to his great estates, as also to the title and some of the lands of Urse's brother, Robert the Dispenser. (fn 2) No evidence of any relationship between Walter and Hugh has been adduced as yet.
Of the origin of the founder of the family nothing appears to be known. His name — de Bello Campo, Belcamp, or Beau Champ — is evidently taken from one of the several places of that name, the " Fair Field," in Normandy or Picardy. Mr. Round ingeniously suggests that it is to be sought in the Calvados.
The Roman figures after the names of the Beauchamps refer to their position in the family table at the end of this
memoir.
The B. (standing for Bedford), is added after the figure, in order for the future to distinguish them from their
contemporaries, the Beauchamps of Eaton Socon, who often bore the same fore-names ; that family, it is hoped, will
form the subject of a future article by the present writers.
HUGH DE BEAUCHAMP (1. B.) was the founder of the line. He appears at Domesday
(1086) as holding some 43 manors; these lay almost
wholly in Beds. ; he had, however, a fifteen-hide manor
at Linslade, a four-hide manor at Lathbury, and a
small holding in Soulbury, all in Bucks. ; as well as the six-hide manor of Bengeo, co. Herts. ;
the fourhide manor of Hunsdon,^ in Herts., was also "of his
fee." The method by which he acquired the Bedfordshire lands has been discussed in the " Notes on Domesday " below.
Ralf Taillebois, who there is suggested
to have been Hugh's father-in-law, seems to have been
succeeded by Hugh in his pubHc capacity of Sheriff, as well as in his lands. Ralf had been Sheriff of Bedfordshire before
1086,^ but had died before that date^
;
the inference that Hugh succeeded him as Sheriff is strongly supported by two precepts of WilHam the Conqueror.^
The first of these is addressed to Ralf Taillebois and Peter de Valognes "and all faithful servants
French and EngHsh in whose Sheriffwicks (vicecomitatibus) or bailiwicks (ministris)," etc. The second is addressed to
Peter de Valognes and Hugh de Beauchamp "and all my sheriffs." From other sources we
know that Peter de Valognes was Sheriff of Essex and
Herts. in 1086, and that Ralf Taillebois was
Sheriff of Beds, before that date ; the inference is that
Hugh de Beauchamp replaced Ralf in his office. Hugh witnessed a charter of WilHam H.® and
another of 1080.^ But there is evidence that Hugh
lived on into the reign of Henry I. ; by a charter preserved in the Newnham Cartulary,^" is recorded that
the King gave Stanbridge [co. Beds.] to his Queen Matilda, and that she gave it with his consent to Hugh
de Beauchamp; this charter must have been given between Matilda's marriage (1100) and her death (1118)
mauriceboddy.org.uk
I think that my initial confusion about the de Beauchamps could be unraveled here.
Also the Falkes de Bréauté and Bedford Castle is making more sense with respect to William Mauduit. (See page on Mary Hall, Belchamp Walter). Henry III and Bedford Castle.
Miles de Beauchamp II
A search for: "miles de beauchamp" daughter married 1270. was recorded finding this page.
Looking at my transcription of the Bedford Historical Soc. I think that there could have been a Miles II. There is no description of him in the Bedford manuscript and there is a fair amount of uncertainty in the discussion of Miles I.
The Wikitree profile for Miles II (?) - [link e below] has this Miles dying in 1265. He has a son, Richard, but no daughter mentioned.
If Miles de beauchamp II died in 1265 and had a daughter she could have been married in 1270.
The Wikitree profiles on Miles II (?) and Richard de beauchamp have sections on the manors of Lathbury and Wottone (Wotton).
Manor of Lathbury
"A mesne lordship of this manor was held in 1223 and 1229 (fn. 16) by Mabel de Bidun, one of the five sisters and co-heirs of John de Bidun. (fn. 17) Her heir Miles de Beauchamp was living in 1254, (fn. 18) and was succeeded about ten years later by his son Richard, (fn. 19) mesne lord in the later 13th century. (fn. 20)" [1]
The footnotes on both of the properties taken from the WikiTree pages don't match with the references that they give.
Manor of Wootton
"Amabel, second sister of John de Bidun II, obtained a grant from Ralph fitz John in 1219; (fn. 26) in 1225–6 she had leave to assart 8 acres of wood in Wootton, and when her daughter Sibyl gave them to St. Andrew's Priory she confirmed, as did Miles de Beauchamp, her son and heir. (fn. 27) As 'lady of Wootton' she, with Robert fitz Geoffrey her nephew, recovered the advowson, 1231–2, from Lavendon Abbey. (fn. 28) Miles the son was joint lord 1242–3, (fn. 29) and died in 1264 leaving a son and heir Richard, still living 1292, (fn. 30) but not mentioned in Wootton. Miles (once called Miles de Wootton) had given lands here to his sons William and Geoffrey, who gave part to the parson's foster-son, but seem to have kept lands and definitely taken the name Wootton. (fn. 31)" [2]
- "Parishes : Lathbury," in A History of the County of Buckingham: Volume 4, ed. William Page (London: Victoria County History, 1927), 372-379. British History Online, accessed April 30, 2017, [1].
- "Parishes: Wootton," in A History of the County of Northampton: Volume 4, ed. L F Salzman (London: Victoria County History, 1937), 292-296. British History Online, accessed April 30, 2017, [2].
The IPM for the disposition of the Manor of Wottone (Isabel de Bello Campo) in 1295 mentions Sir John de Botetourt (John Botetourte) and his wife Maud, Roger Mowbray son of Maud de Moubray, Sir William de Montecanyso of Edwardestone, Simon de Pateshulle, William and Simon de Bello Campo.