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Baldwin Wake

Baldwin Wake is mentioned with respect to Belchamp Walter in the 13th Century. The connection was that Ida Wake was the wife of John de Steyngreve.

This page is part of my History of Belchamp Walter.

The research process continues and there seems to be some connection to the de Beauchamp’s. Recent findings from Maurice Boddy's research contains more information on both the de Beauchamp an Wake families.

Some of the connections were taken from Thomas Wright:

Beatrix became the wife of Thomas Fitz-Otho, and, on his death, was married to William Montchensy, of Edwardstown. Ella, the youngest of these sisters, was married to Baldwin Wake, to whom she bore Ida, married to John de Steyngreve,

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At first glance there is no mention of Ida, the daughter of Beatrix and William Montecanyso.

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Wikitree:

Baldwin Wake, was born about 1237, Blisworth, Northampshire, England. [1]He died between 5 February 1281 and 1282.
1st Marriage
He married 1st: Ela De Beauchamp, the daughter of William de Beauchamp, by his (2nd) wife, Ida, daughter of William Longespee, (illegitimate son of King Henry II). They had three daughters.[1]
Joan, Ida Wake and Elizabeth Wake (wife of John de Horbury and Richard le Rous).
2nd Marriage
Baldwin married 2nd before 5 Feb. 1267, Hawise De Quincy, daughter of Robert de Quincy, by Ellen, daughter of Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of North Wales. She was born about 1250. They had two sons and at least two daughters:
Child: John Wake[1], Child: Hugh Wake[1], a daughter who married Thomas de Grelle[1], another daughter.[1] This is likely to be Eleanor, who is identified in the Northamptonshire Visitations as daughter of Baldwin and wife of John Seyton[2]

There are more references to follow from Wikitree.

Simon de Beauchamp

Quote from the question about William (Beauchamp) de Beauchamp’s wife Isabella de Sacre Wake.

This was from Wikitree

This sort of thing tends to happen when there are two different theories or guesses. People merge them into one person.

The Wake theory is easily disposed of. If Isabel Wake existed, she was Baldwin's sister (daughter of Hugh and Joan), and if she married a Simon de Beauchamp, it was a later Simon, not that one.

Connection to the de Beauchamps - this reference needs to be confirmed

The text is taken from the British History Online page - The borough of Bedford: Castle and barony

" There now remains to be traced that third of the barony which passed to Ela de Beauchamp wife of Baldwin Lord Wake. She left three daughters and co-heirs, Ida, Elizabeth and Joan. Elizabeth, the second daughter in point of age, wife of John de Hoobury, (fn. 118) died without direct issue in 1315, when her ninth part reverted to the heirs of her sisters and no further individual reference has been found to it. (fn. 119) Ida eldest daughter of Ela married John de Steingrave. Her ninth of the barony included Keysoe Manor and lands in Wotton, Bromham, Lincelade and Houghton Conquest. (fn. 120) Her daughter and heir Isabel married first Simon de Patishull, and second Walter de Teye. By her first husband she had a son John de Patishull, who entered into possession of his mother's estates in 1324–5. (fn. 121) He was summoned to the King's Council as a baron in 1342, but this meeting is not considered technically as a Parliament. (fn. 122) His daughter Katherine, sister of William de Patishull, who eventually became one of her brother's co-heirs, married Robert de Tudenham, who died in 1361–2. (fn. 123) She survived her husband many years, dying in 1383 seised of rights in the court of the barony of Bedford, held every three weeks and worth nothing beyond reprises. (fn. 124) John de Tudenham her son died in 1392 seised of this fraction of Bedford barony. (fn. 125) His heir was his son Robert de Tudenham, then aged twenty-six and upwards. On his death in 1406 he was succeeded by a son, also Robert, then under age. (fn. 126) He died in 1418, his heir being his brother Thomas, (fn. 127) from whom this interest passed to his sister Margaret wife of Sir Edmund Bedingfield. She died in 1474, (fn. 128) this interest in the barony remaining in the Bedingfield family until 1540, (fn. 129) when Sir Edmund Bedingfield, kt., combined with other members of the same family to convey it by fine to John Gostwick and Joan his wife. (fn. 130) William Gostwick, son of the above, preferred a claim to the office of almoner at the coronation of James I, the solitary instance of the office being claimed in this line of descent, (fn. 131) and no further mention has been found of the Gostwicks asserting their right to the privileges attached to this portion of the barony, from which all the lands formerly attached had long been alienated. (fn. 132)

The ninth part of the barony of Bedford which passed to Joan third daughter of Ela follows the same descent as Cardington Manor (q.v.). Joan married first Michael Pigot, and second Ralph Paynel. By the former she had a son Baldwin, who predeceased her, and whose son John Pigot succeeded his grandmother in 1318. (fn. 133) The descent (which has been traced in detail under Cardington) may be briefly summarized as follows:— By the marriage of Dorothy granddaughter of John Pigot with James Gascoigne this property passed to the Gascoignes, by whom it was retained in the direct line till towards the close of the 16th century. (fn. 134) About that time John Gascoigne (fl. 1586) left two daughters, Dorothy wife of Sir Gerard Harvey, kt., of Thurleigh and Elizabeth wife of Sir George Blundell, (fn. 135) whose claim to 'one-third' of the barony was acknowledged in 1612. (fn. 136) In 1685 Sir George Blundell, kt., a descendant of Elizabeth, claimed to act as almoner at the coronation of James II, and though the Earl of Exeter was awarded the privilege, a special salvo jure was allowed to Sir George Blundell. (fn. 137) At the coronation of George IV in 1821 William Henry Whitbread claimed 'as being possessed of one-third of the Barony by conveyance from William Nailour Blundell to Samuel Whitbread, father of Petitioner.' (fn. 138) No further trace has been found of this last remaining part of the Bedford barony. "

Bedford Castle

Returning to the history of the barony after the destruction of the castle in 1224, William de Beauchamp is found restored to his former dignities, and in 1236 claimed to act as almoner at the coronations of the sovereigns of England as Baron of Bedford. His claims are set forth with much detail as follows: The cloth which was spread under the king's feet, from the room where he assumes the regalia to the pulpitum in Westminster Abbey, was laid down by the almoner, who, after the ceremony, gave that part which was in the church to the sacristan, the remainder going to the poor. He also claimed all right of jurisdiction over beggars in case of disputes arising; further, he claimed the silver almsdish which was used on this occasion, and a tun of wine. (fn. 46) William de Beauchamp was summoned to perform military service in Wales as knight of Ramsey Abbey in 1245, but sent in his place Godfrey de Drivval. (fn. 47) He and his second wife Ida appear in the Annals of Dunstable as great oppressors of the religious houses. In 1247 Newnham Priory suffered much damage from the extortions of his steward. (fn. 48) Seven years later, on the death of Prior Walter, Stephen the Canon was installed as his successor, with the consent of the bishop. William, to whom the advowson of the priory belonged, marked his protest at the non-recognition of his right by driving him out of St. Paul's Church with threats, then took him by the hand, and, leading him to the choir, installed him as prior. (fn. 49) The same year the Abbot of Warden brought seventeen suits against him, and, on his refusal to appear, his barony was temporarily seized by the Crown. (fn. 50) At this date he conveyed his castle and barony to his son William by fine, (fn. 51) which conveyance was recognized by the king on payment of 500 marks. (fn. 52) He died in 1260, (fn. 53) when the barony would appear to have passed to his eldest son Simon, who must have died very shortly after, leaving a daughter Joan. (fn. 54) She does not appear to have survived her father long, and the barony next passed to his brother William de Beauchamp. He died in 1262, (fn. 55) and his brother John de Beauchamp, the last feudal Baron of Bedford, died in 1265 fighting against the king at Evesham. (fn. 56) The barony was now subdivided between the three sisters and co-heirs of the two last barons—Maud wife of Roger de Moubray, Beatrice wife of Thomas Fitz Otho and Ela wife of Baldwin Wake.

To Maud the eldest sister passed the site of the castle, the manors of Hawnes, Stotfold and Willington with lands in Wotton, Bromham and Barford in Bedfordshire and Lincelade Manor in Buckinghamshire. (fn. 57) Roger de Moubray, her first husband, died in 1266, when she married Roger Lestrange, who survived her and held this portion of the Bedford barony until his own death in 1311. (fn. 58) John de Moubray, grandson of Maud, (fn. 59) then succeeded. He, who married Aliva daughter of William de Braose, (fn. 60) joined the insurrection of Thomas Earl of Lancaster, and was hanged after the battle of Boroughbridge in 1321–2. He left a son and heir John, who was restored to his father's estates in 1327, (fn. 61) and died in 1361, when he is described as holding ' a certain lordship in Bedford.' (fn. 62) His son, John de Moubray, died seised of a third of Bedford barony in 1368. (fn. 63) John de Moubray, his son, was little more than three years old at the time of his father's death; nine years later, at the coronation of Richard II, he was created Earl of Nottingham, (fn. 64) and on the same occasion his claim, together with that of Lord Latimer, to exercise the office of almoner was admitted. (fn. 65) He died in 1382 without having attained his majority, and was succeeded by his brother Thomas de Moubray, a youth of sixteen, (fn. 66) who in 1397 was raised to the title of Duke of Norfolk, and in 1399–1400, on the death of his maternal grandmother, became Earl of Norfolk. He died in the same year, (fn. 67) leaving a son Thomas, aged fourteen, whose death took place in 1405, when his brother John, aged seventeen, succeeded him. (fn. 68) His widow Constance married John son of Reginald Grey, Lord Ruthin, and in 1414, together with her husband, she recognized the right of John de Moubray to this part of the barony. (fn. 69) John de Moubray died in 1461, (fn. 70) leaving a son and heir John, who died without male heirs in 1475–6, when his daughter Anne, aged three, succeeded him. (fn. 71) When only five years of age a marriage was arranged between herself and Richard Duke of York, younger son of Edward IV, who obtained a grant of the dignities and estates of his wife's father. (fn. 72) She died whilst still an infant, and after the murder of the duke in the Tower, in 1483, this part of the barony of Bedford, together with the castle site, reverted to William Viscount Berkely, (fn. 73) a direct descendant of the Moubrays in the female line. (fn. 74) In 1487–8 he received licence to alienate them to Sir Reginald Bray, Minister of State to Henry VII. (fn. 75) Edmund Lord Bray succeeded his uncle, and held this barony in 1538, in which year he made a settlement of it by fine on Sir Thomas Audley and others. (fn. 76) He died in 1539, (fn. 77) when this interest passed to Sir Edward Bray, kt., who in 1569 alienated the barony and castle by fine to Thomas Snagge, eldest son and heir of Thomas Snagge of Letchworth, co. Herts., and Thomas Snagge the younger his son. (fn. 78) The former, who subsequently became a serjeant-atlaw and Speaker of the House of Commons, (fn. 79) held the castle site and the barony till his death in 1594, (fn. 80) when Thomas his son, who was knighted in 1603, succeeded him. He claimed to act as almoner at the coronation of James I, when Lord Burghley was appointed to serve the office with a salvo jure to Sir Thomas Snagge and William Gostwick. (fn. 81) In 1620, together with his wife Agnes daughter of George Rotherham, (fn. 82) he made a settlement preparatory to proving his title to the castle and one-third of the barony. (fn. 83) He died in 1626, (fn. 84) and in 1634 his son, also Thomas, appears to have made a settlement of this, among other property, on his wife Anne daughter of Edmund Mordaunt, grandson of John Lord Mordaunt of Turvey. (fn. 85) This last-named Thomas Snagge died in 1642, (fn. 86) and it was his son Thomas who alienated the site only of the castle by sale in 1658 as related above. This family have, however, from time to time asserted their claim to act as almoner. At the coronation of James II, when the Earl of Exeter served the office, his claim was declared to be recognized pro hac vice with a salvo jure to Thomas Snagge and Sir George Blundell. (fn. 87) Again at the coronation of William and Mary in 1689 the office of almoner was claimed by Sir Francis Blundell, bart., and by Thomas Snagge of Marston-Moretaine (then a minor); when Sir Francis Blundell was appointed to perform the duties of the office with a salvo jure to Thomas Snagge. (fn. 88) Sir Thomas Snagge, kt., judge of county courts for Bedfordshire and a deputy lieutenant for Oxfordshire, tenth in male line of descent from Serjeant Snagge the Speaker, now represents the Snagge interest.

The Wake Family - Maurice Boddy

The following is a transcript from Maurice's research. The references in square brackets are his and he explains them on his website. I have re-formatted his text for readability

WAKE

[WAKE441]
Geoffrey Wac, Seigneur de Negreville, Normandy, held land in Guernsey. He died after 1142.

[WAKE451]
Hugh le Wake (1st son & heir), Seigneur de Negreville, married [BRIO452] Emma of Bourne (eldest daughter & coheiress of Baldwin FitzGilbert, see HASTINGS (EU) FEUDAL LORDSHIP). He died c.1175-76.

" [WAKE462]
Isabel de Wake (daughter of Hugh) married [BXXB421] Simon de Beauchamp (see BEAUCHAMP OF BEDFORD).

[WAKE461]
Baldwin I Wake (born c.1136, son & heir), Lord of Bourne (Lincs), married [HOMM392] Agnes du Hommet (daughter of William, see HOMMET). He died c.1198, and afterwards Agnes married 2. Ranulph de Vernay. [WAKE471]
Baldwin II Wake (born c.1184), Lord of Bourne, married (c.1209) [BRIG468] Isabel de Briwere (born c.1183, widow of [DOUV381] Foubert de Douvres (see DOUVRES, died c.1205), and daughter of Sir William de Briwere of Blisworth, see BRIGUERRE). He died c.1213. [WAKE481]
Hugh Wake (born c.1210, son & heir), Lord of Bourne and Liddell, Sheriff of Yorkshire, Constable of Scarborough Castle, married [DEST472] Joan de Stuteville (1st daughter & coheiress daughter of Nicholas II, see STUTEVILLE). He died in the Holy Land (by December 1241), and afterwards Joan married 2. (by 1244) Hugh Bigod, Chief Justiciar of England. Joan died c.1276.

The de Beauchamp connection

[WAKE491]
Baldwin III Wake (born 1236, son & heir), Lord of Bourne and Liddell, married 1. [BXXB443] Ela de Beauchamp (daughter of William de Beauchamp, see BEAUCHAMP OF BEDFORD); then 2. (c.1267) [QUEN403] Hawise de Quincy (born c.1250, younger daughter [but not heiress] of Earl Roger, see WINCHESTER (QUENCY) EARLDOM). He died 5th February 1281-82, and Hawise died c.1284-85.

[WAKE501]
Hugh Wake (born c.1273, son of Baldwin & Hawise), of Winterbourne Stoke and Compton, Wilts, married (c.1290) [BELA502] Joan de Belauney (born 1279, daughter of [BELA491] Baldwin de Belauney & Joan, of Fisherton de la Mere, Wilts). Hugh died c.1312, and afterwards Joan married 2. (1314) Nicholas de Braybrook. Joan died at Braybrooke, Northants, (c.1329). [The reference to Hugh Wake marrying Joan de Wolverton, appears to refer to another Hugh Wake, of Blisworth and Deeping. These Hugh Wake's were cousins.]

[WAKE512] Meribel Wake (born c.1310, daughter of Hugh) married 1. [PORT421] Hugh de St. John of Basing, 2nd Lord Saint John of Basing (see PORT), died 1335; then 2. (c.1336-37) [ASPA511] Thomas de Aspale, of Kent, (see ASPALE below).

The suggestion on a web-site that Meribel married firstly Ralph Blanchminster, and by him had a daughter Cicely who was born in 1304, makes Cecily four years older than her mother.

Background to this page

Having seen this page found by those making an Internet search I have decided to add more context relevant to the page.

Refining my pages I see that this page was accessed and I did not have links to other pages in place. These were namely to de Beauchamp and Isabel Wake.

In addition, I added a "project box" at the top of the page. Although those visiting this page will probably not understand I added a link on this box to the research process page and I also made the display conditionalon the size of the screen.

With respect to the W3.css framework the ability to hide elements depending on the screen size is great. Many things, such as this paragraph, do not need to be seen on a phone screen.

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References:

  • Ela (Beauchamp) Wake (abt. 1230 - bef. 1267) - https:// www.wikitree.com /wiki/Beauchamp-165 #_ref-MCA_2.476_1
  • Baldwin Wake (abt. 1238 - bef. 1282) - https:// www.wikitree.com /wiki/Wake-60
  • Question about William (Beauchamp) de Beauchamp’s wife Isabella de Sacre Wake - https:// www.wikitree.com /g2g/987413/ question-about-william-beauchamp- beauchamps-isabella-sacre
  • The manor of Wootton, Bedford - https:// www.british-history.ac.uk /vch/beds/vol3/pp9-15 - also a reference to Baldwin Wake

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