William Longespée, 3rd Earl of Salisbury
In or before 1167 – 7 March 1226 - the 12th and
13th Centuries
The connection of the Longespée family name to the history of Belchamp Walter comes via a marriage
to Ida Wake. Or possibly Ida Longespée, 2nd wife of
William de Beauchamp.
Wikipedia says:
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William was an illegitimate son of Henry II, King of England.
His mother was unknown for many years until the discovery of a charter William made that mentions
"Comitissa Ida, mater mea" (Countess Ida, my mother).[2][3]
This referred to Ida de Tosny, a member of the prominent Tosny (or Toesny) family,
who had married Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk[4] in 1181.
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The following is either Wikipedia or Thomas Wright:(probably Wikipedia)
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Ida Longespée, married firstly Ralph who was son of Ralph de Somery,
Baron of Dudley, and Margaret, daughter of John Marshal;[13]
she married secondly William de Beauchamp, Baron of Bedford, by whom she had seven children.
This Ida is sometimes confused with Ida II Longespée, who married Sir Walter FitzRobert of Woodham Walter,
Essex, by whom she had issue including Ela FitzWalter, wife of William de Odyngsells. Ida II Longespée
has been given different parents by different genealogists; G. Andrews Moriarty suggested the two Idas
were sisters; Gerald Paget suggests Ida II who married Walter FitzRobert
may have been the daughter of William Longespée II, Earl of Salisbury, by his wife, Idoine de Camville.
"
Douglas Richardson has weighed in on this and there is a log thread on Google Groups where the
geneology of the two Idas is descussed.
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From the Wikipedia page on William de Beauchamp
Children of William de Beauchamp and Ida Longespee were: Maud de Beauchamp b abt 1234,
d bef Apr 1273.
She md Roger de Mowbray abt 1247, son of William de Mowbray and Avice.
Ela de Beauchamp b abt 1240, Essex, England, d 1266.
She md Baldwin Wake abt 1254, son of Hugh Wake and Joan de Stuteville.
Beatrice de Beauchamp b abt 1245, prob Bedford, Bedfordshire, England, d 1280-1281.
She md Sir Thomas Fitz Otho bef 1264.
Their daughter, Maud/Matilda Fitz Thomas md Sir John de Botetourte abt 1284.
Ida de Tosny
According to Wikpedia:
Ida de Tosny, Countess of Norfolk (died after 1181), was a Norman royal mistress. Named after her grandmother
Ida de Hainaut, she was the daughter of Ralph IV de Tosny (died 1162) and his wife Margaret (born c. 1125
and living in 1185), a daughter of Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester.[1]
Relationship to King Henry II
Ida de Tosny was a royal ward and mistress of Henry II, King of England, by whom she was mother of one of his illegitimate sons,
William Longespée, 3rd Earl of Salisbury,[2] (c. 1176 – 7 March 1226), as demonstrated by the discovery of a charter of William
mentioning "Comitissa Ida, mater mea" (Countess Ida, my mother).[3] Ida was not the first English royal ward to be taken as a royal
mistress. Isabel de Beaumont (Elizabeth de Beaumont),
was the ward of King Henry I and the mistress of one of his sons.
