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The Wikipedia page on Botetourt

A search for John Botetourt will find a Wikipedia page that contains a synopsis for John Botetourt, 1st Baron Botetourt. The information is pretty much in keeping with much of my research. Since the time I first accessed the Wikipedia page it has been updated to incluce more information on his exploits in Scotland.

If you search for Botetourt and Belchamp Walter you will find my pages even though there is no reference to Belchamp Walter as being the "resting place" of Sir John on Wikipedia.

Or maybe Belchamp Walter wasn't where he was buried just because he had a chantry built there.

The Wikipedia page has emphasis on Sir John's history with respect to "the violent quarrel between the mayor and burgesses of Bristol and Lord Thomas of Berkeley and his son Maurice" is yet to be confirmed. On further impection of the Wikipedia page it seems to have been authored by the Powys-Lybbe Forbears who have included this in their connection to Lord Thomas of Berkeley and his son Maurice [ext link c]

The Scottish connection and admiralty, has been seen in Inquisitions. Similarly for the St. Briavels castle reference.

The Framlingham connection is being confirmed (or dismissed). Framlingham does feature in the Tudor story" on the website.

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The Wikipedia text: (when I first accessed it)

" He was the Governor of St Briavels Castle in 1291, became the Admiral of the North between 1294 and 1297,[1] burning Cherbourg in 1295, and created 1st Lord Botetourt on 13 July 1305.

In 1304 he received a commission under the great seal to hear and determine the causes of a violent quarrel between the mayor and burgesses of Bristol and Lord Thomas of Berkeley and his son Maurice.

He was the warden of the Forest of Dean.

He fought in the expeditions of King Edward I to Gascony, Scotland and during the Wars of Scottish Independence. He was summoned to parliament from 1305 to 1324.

He joined Guy Beauchamp, earl of Warwick, in carrying off Piers Gaveston from the custody of the Earl of Pembroke, and, in common with the other nobles concerned in the death of the favourite, made his peace with the king in 1313.

He was appointed the Governor of Framlingham Castle in 1314. He was again the Admiral for the Northern Seas in 1315.

John participated in the Battle of Boroughbridge on 16 March 1322, on the side of Thomas, Earl of Lancaster's rebels. He was then fined £1,000 and pardoned on 8 October 1322 for his part in the rebellion.

He died on 25 November 1324, and his grandson John succeeded him as Baron Botetourt, as his son Thomas had predeceased him. "

The "Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900/Bottetourt, John de" text from the reference on the Wikpedia page

" BOTTETOURT, JOHN de (d. 1324), baron and admiral, was governor of St. Brinvel's Castle and warden of the Forest of Dene.
In 1294 he commanded the fleet supplied by Yarmouth and the neighbouring coast, and the next year burnt Cherbourg.
He served in the expeditions of Edward I to Gascony and Scotland Having married Maud, sister and heiress of Otto, the son and heir of Beatrice Beauchamp, widow of William of Munchensi, lord of Edwardston, he came into the estates of his mother-in-law.
In 1304 he received a commission under the great seal to hear and determine the causes of a violent quarrel between the mayor and burgesses of Bristol and Lord Thomas of Berkeley and his son Maurice. He was summoned to parliament from 1305 to 1324.
He joined Guy Beauchamp, earl of Warwick, in carrying off Piers Gaveston from the custody of the Earl of Pembroke, and, in common with the other nobles concerned in the death of the favourite, made his peace with the king in 1313. The next year he commanded the fleet employed in the expedition against Scotland. When a new permanent council was appointed in 1318, his name was added in pariiament to those already ageed upon.
He died in 1324, leaving his grandson John his heir, his son Thomas having died before him. "

Framlingham

The research that I extracted from geni.com (I think) points to some other IPMs or Calendar Charter Rolls. (was either 16 or 17 in the footnote/reference)

St. Briavels

Sir John de Botetourt is not mentioned on the St Briavels castle website.

Battle of Boroughbridge - 16 March 1322

" John participated in the Battle of Boroughbridge on 16 March 1322, on the side of Thomas, Earl of Lancaster's rebels. He was then fined £1,000 and pardoned on 8 October 1322 for his part in the rebellion. "

Sir James Tyrell - d. 1437 was a Lancastrian.

Thomas, Earl of Lancaster

More from the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography

Richard Gorski - Botetourt, John, first Lord Botetourt (d. 1324), admiral

Botetourt, John, first Lord Botetourt ( d. 1324 ), admiral, emerged from obscurity in the 1280s and became a politically influential baron, an active soldier, and a prominent naval commander. For such a well-connected man Botetourt's origins and parentage are astonishingly obscure. An unsubstantiated reference in the Hailes Abbey chronicle suggests that he was an illegitimate son of Edward I , but it has been argued plausibly that he was the eldest son of Guy Botetourt ( d. c.1316) of Little Ellingham, Norfolk, and his wife, Ada; if so he had at........

Additional information on exploits in Scotland

While the Wikipedia page does mention the activities of the 1st Sir John in Scotland and even in Gascony for Edward the first it does not really say anything about Edward II apart from the involvement with Piers Gaveston and that he was pardoned by the king. The king in this case would have been Edward II and the dates of the pardon do not jive with the capture and death of Gaveston (1312) and the Battle of Boroughbridge (1322)

Tim Powys-Lybbe

It is a suspicion that the Wikipedia page on Botetourt was authored initially by Tim Powys-Lybbe.

The reference to "the violent quarrel between the mayor and burgesses of Bristol and Lord Thomas of Berkeley and his son Maurice" ties the Botetourts to the Powys-Libbe family. I have not seen this elsewhere.

Looking deeper into Tim's website I can see that he makes capital of the influence of heiresses in the history and tracking of the "ownership" of estates. He has a table of heiresses but it is difficult to put it into any context. Joyce de Botetourt is featured in the table but how this relates to either his family history or the history of the Botetourts and that of the village of Belchamp Walter. I suspect that the differentiation between the two Sir Johns in not really acknowledged.

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References: - a note on these -

  • 1 - The Wikipedia page - https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ John_Botetourt ,_1st_Baron_Botetourt
  • 2 - Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900/Bottetourt, John de - https:// en.wikisource.org/wiki/ Dictionary_ of_National_Biography, _1885-1900/ Bottetourt,_John_de
  • 3 - Botetourt on Stirnet - https:// www.stirnet.com /genie/data/british/bb4fz/bzmisc04.php - this is particularly annoying as are most Stirnet pages
  • 4 - Piers Gaveston - https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Piers_Gaveston ,_1st_Earl_of_Cornwall - 1st Earl of Cornwall (c. 1284 – 19 June 1312) was an English nobleman of Gascon origin, and the favourite of Edward II of England.
  • 5 - Gascony - https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Gascony - was a province of the southwestern Kingdom of France that succeeded the Duchy of Gascony (602–1453. From the 17th century until the French Revolution (1789–1799)
  • 6 - Guy de Beauchamp, 10th Earl of Warwick - 'https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Guy_de_Beauchamp, _10th_Earl_of_Warwick - (c. 1272 – 12 August 1315) was an English magnate, and one of the principal opponents of King Edward II and his favourite, Piers Gaveston.
  • 7 - Battle of Boroughbridge - 16 March 1322 - https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Battle_of_Boroughbridge - saw Edward II against Thomas, Earl of Lancaster - Botetourt fought on Lancaster's side
  • 8 - John of Scotland - 1249 – late 1314 - https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ John_Balliol
  • 9 - Botetourt, John, first Lord Botetourt, (d.1324) - https:// www.oxforddnb.com /search?q=Botetourt%2C+John %2C+first+Lord+Botetourt +%28d.+1324%29%2C+admiral
  • a - People Of Medieval Scotland 1093 - 1371 - https:// poms.ac.uk /record/person/18701/ - this is where a reference to St. Briavels Castle came from
  • b - John de Botetourt - https:// www.goodreads.com/characters/ 1091070-john-de-botetourt - Robert the bruce mull of kintyre
  • c - Thomas de Berkeley, 3rd Baron Berkeley - https:// www.wikiwand.com/ en/articles/ Thomas_de_Berkeley, _3rd_Baron_Berkeley
  • d - Gascony - https:// www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/ Gascony - John Botetourt in Gascony
  • e - Gascon campaign (1294–1303) - https:// www.wikiwand.com/ en/articles/ Gascon_campaign_ (1294%E2%80%931303)
  • f - Hugh Despenser the Younger - https:// www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/ Hugh_Despenser_the_Younger

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